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Transcription from 2016 Golsteyn interview

Brett Baer was both the narrator, and interviewer.

time stamp	speaker	speech
0:00	Brett Baer	Did you find the suspected Taliban bombmaker...
0:04	Golsteyn	We did capture a suspected fighter, and then IED materials... weapons... we recovered radios... small icon(?) radios the Taliban were using... so... quite a bit of material...
0:16	Baer	But, at the time, you figured, this is the guy...
0:19	Golsteyn	Yeah, absolutely
0:20	narration	After he was detained, the suspected bombmaker refused to speak to investigators. Due to strict rules of engagement, they were ordered to release him.
0:30	Golsteyn	...you can construe it as a "law enforcement mindset"... ...there's limits on how long you can hold guys...
0:35	Baer:	(apparently paraphrasing) ...So we would pull these guys out. We would say "clearly these are enemy combatants... these are Taliban... these are bad dudes..." We'd pull them out, but we wouldn't have anywhere to hold them. So, eventually we would let them back, and they would cause terror to the community, again.
0:50	Golsteyn	Right. In fact you just, really, you realize quickly, you made things worse. Inevitable outcome that people who are cooperating, with Coalition forces, when identified, will suffer terrible torture or be killed.
1:05	narration	Shortly after releasing the detainee Golsteyn took matters into his own hands.
1:10	Baer	DId you kill the Taliban bomb-maker?
1:13	Golsteyn	(nodding his head) Yes
1:15	narration	years later, he started talking about his attack on the bomb-maker, in a job interview with the CIA.
1:20	Baer:	You willingly offered up these details...
1:23	Golsteyn:	right
1:23	Baer:	...at the CIA?
1:25	Golsteyn:	That is correct.
1:17	Baer:	And that is where it all starts?
1:19	Golsteyn:	(nods) Pretty much.
1:32	narration	Golsteyn, who had received a Silver Star for valor, in Afghanistan, now found himself accused of murder, and conspiracy. What followed was the Army's version of a thorough Police investigation.
1:45	witness	I told the Army's CID investigator I didn't know anything
1:52	Golsteyn	I never (unclear) begrudged an investigator, or my commanders, for doing an investigation... If they are concerned over my judgement, or my behavior, then I would expect that they would look into it.
2:08	narration	Ultimately, after a review, by a military tribunal, no charges were filed. But Golsteyn was removed, from the Special Forces, his Silver Star was taken away, and he was denied a position at the CIA.
2:20	Baer:	What is it like going from war hero to accused war criminal? Are you angry?
2:29	Golsteyn:	(looks away, takes a deep breath, looks back at Baer) No.
3:16	Golsteyn:	It has been incredibly painful... and very difficult... over the last year, years, everyone who served with me, stood by me, and so (shakes head), it's over, and it is time to move on.